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Wednesday, November 30, 2005

I think Nachman is a trigger man

In my opinion, i think Nachman did not write a paper because he want to challenge Ali and teach something to Ali about money can not buy anything. Moreover, i think he guess that if he did not send the paper, Ali will ask someone to ask the paper from him which is Sweeny.I think Nachman knows that Sweeny going to see him someday about the paper.So, everything is on the plan,
payback to Ali about his manner and get a chance to get near to Sweeny.
The other thought that i think about Nachman is he is decide to not write a paper because it's wrong and he wants Ali to write bt himself by talk to Sweeny and let the tape recorded what he say and explian to Ali. But the problem is Nachman feel lost concentrate because the beauty and charming of Sweeny.So, Nachman want to get near to Sweeny morethan explain Bergson's book.
And the reason that why he stills keep thinking about whether he wrote a paper of not because he
did not the paper but he remember all words and all theory that he read from Bergson's book.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005

Nachman Tricked Ali

In End of this story, Nachman acts so weird. So I figured out that Nachman did not write paper at all. I could make everything clear what he’ve done from the beginning. Why he treat Ali with that way. I can not understand why he acted like he wrote paper at the beginning of the story. What a brave person. Why did he want to talk paper that he didn’t write with Ali? He’s insane, I feel sorry for him somehow. Ali was disappointed at him so bad.
If I were Ali, I would bit him up. What kind of person can act like that? Ali was not good either from beginning because he didn’t write paper either, however, He did not lie about paper like Nachman. At the end, both of them act just like normal. But I can tell how Nachman felt shame toward Ali. Ali would not see Nachman again.

Monday, November 28, 2005

Nachman changes his mind

I think that Nachman did not write Ali’s paper. Even though Nachman write the paper, he would not give Ali. After having a dinner with Ali, because he is hurt Ali. Nachman might think that Ali have to pay attention to his paper although Ali has tried bribe and ask to write for him. But Ali is unconcerned about the paper, just he wants to talk about his girlfriend and anything else. Nachman is disappointed in the kind of Ali’s action. Additionally, if Nachman write the paper, Ali might think that if I give him money, Nachman would write a paper next time. And Ali could think money can do everything. So, even though Nachman needs a little of money, he could not write the paper. Nachman change his mind the kind of reason. I think that Nachman is immoral because at the beginning he tried to write the paper for him although at the end he changes his mind.

Brave Nachman

He was brave. Despite of some thousand of dinning that he received, Nachman did not write the paper. I guess it was not easy. If I were him, I would write the paper anyway because I could not see that Ali ruined his graduation plan. So, at the first time, I wished he noticed it to Ali early, so Ali can have chance to finish own paper. However, I found out that the early notice just give time that find another Nachman to Ali. Also Nachman figured out there is nothing he felt guilty about refusing the ghostwriting. Acting moral person needs strong heart. After I understood that Nachman was brave, I liked him. However, I guess he was lucky about that Ali did not hire a muscle guy to beat him. Well, is it the reason that he lied that he sent the paper? Than, he was even smart as well as brave.

Nachman didn't write a paper.

First, I did not even realize whether he wrote a paper or not. Actually I thought that he wrote the paper, but there were some problems in the process of deliver. After I review the story, I can get it. In fact, he didn’t even write one word. I cannot understand his mind. Nachman is really a strange guy. I though to myself hardly, then I conclude that he did it out of his mind, not on purpose. I think that Nachman did not want to betray Ali, but he did not want to do incorrect things neither. Both ideas made him did weird things such as imaginary act. He did not do it, but he thought he did it. So I think that he pass through dissociation of consciousness. He is just a normal people and he was able to finish the paper. He had an ability enough to make it. I think that it’s kind of temporary mental problem. In conclusion, both Nachman and Ali are poor guys.

I can say that

After I read all of story, I can conclude that Nachman didn’t write the paper. Although he read the book, he didn’t write it. At the first time, he decided to write the paper and organized it. However, he changed his mind after he had had dinner with Ali. There are two reasons why Nachman changed his mind. First of all, Nachman was interested in talking about the paper with Ali, but Ali didn’t pay attention it. Nachman thought that Ali didn’t care him and he was shameful from Nachman. Nachman was disappointed in Ali and upset. The second, Nachman might think that he was different from Ali. Ali was prince and rich but Nachman was just poor student. Nachman might be envious of Ali. Therefore, Nachman is just person who couldn’t finish the paper because of reasons above.

It's hard to say......

At the end of the story I think that Nachman did not write the paper and never sent it to Ali. What he said about sending the paper to Ali’s house from his mom’s house all was a lie. He made it up because he had not finished the paper and you can say that he even not started it yet.

I think there are 3 possible reasons which can be conclude from the article why Nachman did not write the paper and lie to everyone. First I think that probably he hasn’t done reading the books about Bergson so he did not have enough information that he could write about. Another possible reason made Nachman not to write the paper probably because after the meeting with Ali in the restaurant made Nachman changed his mind. He felt like Ali did not care much about the contents of the paper. What Ali wants was the finished paper. Nachman first thought that Ali really interesting in the paper but because of Ali attitude toward the paper not the same as what Nachman expected, this led to Nachman changed his decision. The last possible reason is probably he really felt that helping someone write his/her paper was wrong and this made him stop helping Ali to write a paper. But why did he lie to all the people? Was it because he did not want to ruin the friendship relationships? Moreover, at the end he seemed disappointed, and he felt like he, himself, had made a wrong choice not to help Ali to write his paper. He wished that he had really sent the paper to Ali, but he did not.

In conclusion I think the best reason that made Nachman not wrote the paper is he felt desperate because Ali attitude toward the paper is not what Nachman expected. Nachman wanted to talk about his ideas, but Ali did not want to listen. All Ali wanted was the finished paper. And this made Nachman changed his mind. I think not because of right or wrong.

Nacman is not morale person.

I think that Nachman really wrote the papers. Because he mentioned that he liked the topic. But I don't think he had brought and gave it to Ali. He was about to give it to him, but I think he really didn't actually give it to him by saying that he didn't do it. Makin some other excuses. And that way the story could give a lesson to other readers. The reason he wrote it was because he really actually love about the thinkers of Metaphysics. But I don't think he is moral person. Eventhough he had not turn the papers to Ali, he was interested in Ali in for wron reason. Even Ali wasn't kind to him he was just trying to bribe him. So, with this reason I don't think Nachman is a morale person.

Nachman with no paper!

I think Nachman didn’t finish the paper, not because he was lazy or couldn’t finish it, because he didn’t feel right about it. Nachman wasn’t after the money or power, he was more likely to be good and moral person. In other hand his friend Norbert needed money and he would do any thing to convinced Nachman to write the paper for Ali. Nachman had to challenge himself because in one hand he couldn’t do something immoral and in the other hand he felt bad for Ali and he wanted to help him. When I was reading this story, I had a feeling Nachman and Ali both didn’t want to talk about the paper, because Ali had bad feeling about whole situation. They acted normal towards each other, but Ali deep down inside knew Nachman wouldn’t do such thing. Ali had some hope, but Nachman in the end showed him he couldn’t do it.

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Nachman is an insane chicken

At the end of the story, Nachman acted like an insane chicken. I think he didn’t write the paper, but he pretended he did. At the end, he even wanted to convince himself he did write it. That sounds insane for me. If he didn’t want to write for Ali, he can talk to Ali. However, he didn’t have bravery to against Ali who presented so charming to him. In my opinion, Nachman didn’t write a word for the paper because he felt bad during the dinner. Although Ali wanted to treat Nachman as a royal guest, what Nachman felt was Ali tried to show-off. Moreover, I don’t think what Nachman did can be judged moral or not. He just the one used to lived on the boundary. He made the deal because he couldn’t disappoint Ali; he broke the promise because he wanted to upset Ali. Both of these decisions were made emotionally.

end with many question marks

I thought that he did not begin to write the paper. Therefore, he did not post anything but he pretended like he sent it. I do not know why but maybe he felt sorry about himself since he did not have the same opportunities like Ali. In other words, he was jealous about Ali. Since Ali made him feel sorry, he wanted to see Ali unhappy. If I were Nachman, I may feel the same way but I totally agree with Huseyin. In my opinion he is an immoral person. When you give promises to someone you must keep them. I do not like the attitude of both Nachman and Ali to Sweeny. This story is a very interesting one with many uncertainties.

Sunday, November 27, 2005

Blog 10

The end of the story is very interesting. Nachman tries to find that the post about paper which he never wrote and posted it. He hardly remembers that he didn’t write about even one word. I don’t know that Nachman was made it deliberately or not. Ali and Norbert wanted from Nachman to write a paper for Ali, which was an immoral request. Nachman accepted this immoral work. To write paper, he borrowed some books from library about Henry Bergson’ Metaphysics and he read them during two weeks. But, he never wrote it. If anybody was promised to make anything, he might make it. Furthermore, he made as if he wrote and posted it to Ali from his mother home. Although he didn’t write it, he was behaved as if he had written it. This behavior is immoral, too. I think, Nachman actually didn’t write the paper. Because, he couldn’t wrote this paper. If he could have written the paper, he had written it. As Ali and Norbert, Nachman is seen interesting person, too. His behaviors are interesting. He can tell some lies. The other interesting subject is that Nachman’s attitude to Sweeny. It is unusual. At the end of the story, he remembered Ali’s handsome face. What is this mean? I don’t know. Although Nachman don’t want meet to Sweeny, Ali had been sanded Sweeny to Nachman’s House to ask his paper. Why? I don’t understand.

Wednesday, November 23, 2005

Nachman Part. III (Final)

Hi everyone,
This is the last blog.

At the end of the story, how do you feel about Nachman? Do you think he actually wrote the paper? If not, why didn't he write it? Do you consider him a moral person or just someone who couldn't finish the paper?

Happy Thanksgiving!!!

Ivan and Cate

Monday, November 21, 2005

Ali's plan on Nachman

I think the reason that Ali and Nachman seem nervous while they had a dinner because they don’t have anything in common; unlike Ali who cares only fun, Nachman is a serious guy. Nachman doesn’t know anything about Ali’s world or social circle; in the same time, Ali also doesn’t know anything about Nachman’s world. However, Ali has to use Nachman for writing his assignment paper, so he just wants to make Nachman feel that he is such a nice guy. He is sincere and he can get along with everyone no matter who they are, rich or poor. But he doesn’t know anything that Nachman interest so he might think that a girl’s topic is easy to talk to a man, especially to a man like Nachman. Because Nachman seem to be alone, isolated and sometimes like a nerd. Moreover, Sweeny is a very attractive woman whom Ali thinks that hardly anyone can resist her charming. But for Ali, Sweeny means nothing; just another factor that makes him look cool and rich, so he wants to share Sweeny to Nachman. It’s like a guarantee that Nachman would feel eagerly to do his paper, if Nachman get a crush on Sweeny. Furthermore, I think the reason that Ali took Nachman to the fancy restaurant and gave him the expensive food, wine, port and cigar was because Ali wants Nachman to become like Norbert whom he can buy with money; if Nachman starts to like this kind of living, he would have to use a lot of money. Then, he will do anything for the money such as continually doing another paper for Ali.

Ali and Nachman

Two people who have different background meet at the same restaurant
. Ali is a rich and Nachman doesn't. Nachman wasn’t comportable at all. Because luxury restaurant where he rarely had been, Ali’s expensive clothes.
Nachman was really excited when he met Ali but Ali was not as excited as Nachman did. During meeting, Nachman definitely wants to talk about the paper, however, Ali is not interested paper at all.
Ali mentioned his girl Sweeny quite many times. He doesn’t seem like to talk about paper with Nachman because Nachman knows more than he does.
I think that If Nachman has interested on Sweeny. Ali could exchange Her with final paper and he mentioned about other things but Nachman does not interested those things at all. After all, they realized that they can’t continue talk anymore because they have different purpose and interest to each other.

difference from Ali and Nachman

Ali and Nachman feel very nervous in each other because the meeting purpose and background are different. When Nachman and Ali meet, Nachman wants to discuss about Ali’s paper, but Ali was unconcerned with his paper, and he just wants to talk about his girlfriend, Sweeny. They meet in a luxury restaurant in order to have a dinner. Ali is rich man, so if he wants to go to the deluxe restaurant, he always is able to go. However, Nachman never can go this kind of restaurant before because of a poor, so he felt awkward for having a dinner. in addition, Ali wore a party dress that suits restaurants atmosphere, but Nachman wore old and shabby clothes. And Ali brings his girlfriend in the restaurant because of comfortable communication. He just wants to gossip about friend’s information because he does not know anything about the paper. These things made angry in each other.

Power game

Lack of ability to write own paper is Ali’s weak point and fortune is Ali’s strong point. I think this is the reason why they keep coming back to talking about the girl. Ali does not want to let Nachman says about paper, but brag of what he got – money and an incredible piece. I think Ali wants to show who is a boss, so Ali makes Nachman does Ali’s paper. Fortune and beauty are the traditional ways that a male shows his power to others. Look at Donald J. Trump and his daughter-like wife. It looks hilarious, but we all know he has strong power that even can make exceptional beauty lives with the agley old. Also, giving big freebies is good way that make a person can not refuse giver’s favor. In conclusion, Ali prepares dining-out as the way that overwhelms Nachman and does not want to give a chance that Nachman can be a higher position. If Ali wants to be a friend with Nachman, I do not think Ali prepares that extreme dinner.

Nachman dislike his elegant anymore.

I think the difference of their backgrounds made them nervous each other. Ali has lots of money and power, but Nachman does not have. Before they went to dinner, Nachman supposed to talk everything about paper to Ali with pleasure, because he liked Ali and his manner. But he changed his mind on the way to have dinner. All of his action which is too noble made him be resentful to Ali. He might think that Ali is arrogant too much. Even though he had asked Nachman to do his paper, he is so elegant. It made Nachman bad mood. I can find it when Nachman changed his mind that he would tell him about paper, after he saw Ali’s poor face. He wanted to see his confusion. In the other hand Ali want to talk about the paper, but he could not easily talk about the paper, because of his unfair paper and he worried that Nachman is unpleasant about it. It is why he talked about Ali’s girlfriend. He wanted to make a mood easy to talk about paper and please Nachman. The main reason is that Ali grew up in the wealthy classes, so he is not familiar with dealing people. He just thought that money makes Nachman happy. But it brought out opposite situation. These things made them nervous during the conversation.

Do you know why?

I think that Ali feel nervous because he afraid that the restaurant, the arrangement he made, and the meal – fish soup, wine, port, cigar, he ordered, do not suit what Nachman wants or likes since this is his the first time dine with Nachman, and he probably doesn’t know what Nachman likes. Another, factor that makes Ali nervous probably is he cares about how Nachman will think about him or his personality; therefore he try to find something to say or tell Nachman. But, after Ali knows that Nachman likes what he arranged and ordered, he feels relieved.

In Nachman situation, I think that he feel nervous because of the situation he never experienced in – fancy cloth Ali wears, fancy restaurant, wine, port, cigar, and people dine at that restaurant are seemed like high class people. Compare to Ali, Nachman only wears jacket with white shirt under it and jean to that formal fancy restaurant. I will say that Nachman mostly feel uncomfortable dine with Ali at that fancy restaurant not just feel nervous. I think another factor causes Nachman uncomfortable and nervous is because Ali is talking about his girlfriend, Sweeny, all the time without any intention wanting to hear about his paper. It seems like for Nachman, Ali is an arrogant person, and they are very different in their status. Those lead to Nachman changes his mind to talk about the paper and add that Ali seems like he doesn’t want to listen about the paper, Bergson, or metaphysics, too. He just wants to hear that the paper is done or finished. Therefore, Ali just keeps telling and discussing his girlfriend to Nachman.

Ali and Nachman

I think that Ali and Nachman are nervous because for the two reasons. They are that they don't trust each other and they feel quilty about it. Because they were not a friend before this academic misconduct situation, they couldn't trust. Ali is trying to be nice to Nachman because he doesn't want him not to write the papers. That is why he is trying to act specially good on him. And Nachman is nervous because of the fact that he feels guilty and he have affection toward Ali. I am not really sure why they are mentioning about the Ali's girlfriend. But I think it's kind of saying that Ali's girlfriend is that beautiful so maybe if you be nice to Ali he could hook up with you for someone. All I know is that Ali is trying to bribe Nachman until the paper ends well. And keep his eye on him so that he wouldn't expose the plagiarism.

ALI AND NACHMAM EXCITEMENT

i thing Nachman is confused, since he knows Ali's a prince. Because prince is some body important to be around to. I believe that's are Nachmam feels. he concidere him self has a lower class level with nothing on his table ,and a low self esteen like him. To have a prince by him side and call him at home. He thinks that's incredible to him.
writing a paper free for the prince can make them friends for ever.In my opinion I think that's how Nachman think.

Ali's the one that keep mentions his girl friends name. Nachman doesn't seem to much intresting, his intresting is how much Ali's paying to the restaurent, every thing are fabulus there , the services the food he ever have before in his life, the drink the alcohols the environements and the place that's make him so proud of him self to there with the prince Ali. I don't know the reason why when Ali's brings the paper up he is not responde, in my mind I think he want's to know first who is Ali, in the fisrt place, a prince with alots of back ground who want his help in writing, he my be thinking in his mind that can be a trap, because he read the books for the writing but he never write a sentence, and he promised to do it. I don't know what is confused Nachman , but i know there is a confusion in there. he could be inspire by Ali, or he could be scare to write the paper.

Ali and Nachman

There were two different people, Ali and Nachman. They were different both personality and socio-economic features. Ali and Nachman were going to dinner at the expensive restaurant which one of them never went to like a luxury restaurant before. Actually, they were planed to speak about a paper at the dinner. But, they had to speak other things that are boring. Ali's and Nachman's socio-economic levels are so different. They were going to dinner by Ali's limousine. Ali was wearing extreme costly and smart clothes, on the other side Nachman wearied old and inappropriate clothes to dinner at the luxurious restaurant. Hence, he feels himself a comic man. In addition, Ali disturbed Nachman with says. Despite Nachman got on a comfortable car and went to a luxury restaurant, he fairly uncomfortable due to dialogs with Ali. There were a kind of quarrel between Ali and Nachman. Ali was trying to feel to him that theirs socio-economic levels were different. Despite there needn't to talk about Swenny, Ali talks about Swenny. Ali didn't want to tell about his homework. He preferred to flaunt by telling about her beautiful and well-known girlfriend. There was a sneered when Nachman talked about Sweeny, who was Ali's girlfriend. Thus, they had to speak irrelevant subjects on.

Unbalance both of them

In my opinion about why they feel nervous in each other because they come from different background ,they don't have anything alike in thier common life and second, they don't know in each other wells.I think these 2 reasons can make anyone feel nervous in each other.Moreover, with had a dinner in place like Chez Monsieur ,an elegant place for people like Ali or wealthy people,i believe student like Nachman can feel awkward or nervous because he doesn't know this place and never had a dinner in place like this in his life.

From the story, Nachman and Ali are came from different background ,prince and commons.they was raise in different living styles.So ,when Ali choose restuarant ,he choose place where he get used to it and can feel that he's a controller,not Nachman.I think Ali knew that he do not know anything about papers so ,he don't want to talk about it.All he concerned are when he get and when it finish?.Because he doesn't know anything about Bergson ,so that's why he keep change topic to Sweeny's ,his girlfriend, what he can proud of and know that Nachman can feel lower than him or feel jealious and Ali know that he can show off with his girlfriend.

So,conclusion, Nachman feel nervous because his outwear,jean and shirt incontrast to Ali in dinner suit.Moreover, Nachman feel uncomfortable in a place like Chez Monsieur but Ali feel control because he knew this place well because he's rich man who grew up in this living style.
Nachman want to talk about papers because it's only thing that he knews well and make he feel better in this situation but Ali want to talk about Sweeny because Sweeny is one thing that he knew well and proud of or can compete Nachman .

Nachman is confused!

Nachman and Ali went to fancy restaurant. At first Nachman was intimidated by fact that Ali is very rich and have good manners. Nachman have never been in a place like that and he was shocked. After they sat down and Ali started conversation, Nachman was still thinking about finding a way to tell him, he is not going to do Ali’s paper. In the other hand Ali was trying to ignore the fact that Nachman wasn’t happy to this from beginning. The reason Ali brought his cheerleader girlfriend up so many times, because he was trying to seduce Nachman with her attractiveness and beauty. Nachman wasn’t sure what to say and to do, therefore he just listen to Ali’s non-sense. Ali was trying so hard to impress Nachman with his money and power. Ali didn’t like to hear no from Nachman, he was too arrogant and air-headed to understand that. Nachman felt like he got himself in to so much agony and misery. Ali pointed out his girlfriend so many times; it is almost sound like he was trying to sale her to Nachman for the price of the paper. I think that was very strange conversation between these two. Ali brought another twisted way to go around simple thing such as asking Nachman for final paper.

The difference between Ali and Nachman

When Ali and Nachman met, they felt nervous each other because they had totally different purpose to meet and their background. Nachman was excited to talk about paper when they met. However, Ali wasn’t interested in paper and wanted to talk about his girlfriend, Sweeny. Also, Nachman was poor and had never been luxury restaurant. He was uncomfortable for having dinner at expensive restaurant. He realized that Ali had basically different thinking from him. Ali was shameful because of Nachman’s wearing. Ali sometimes controlled their conversation. While they felt difference from each other, they were nervous. Ali wanted to meet Nachman and sweeny together because he wanted to flaunt intelligent Nachman to Sweeny.

They were so different..

In the story, Nachman from Los Angelos from 238 to 244, the first of all, the reasons I think they are so nervous, they have so different purpose of meeting each other. Nachman would like to discuss Ali’s paper. In contrast, Ali just wanted to have dinner with Nachman. Moreover, Ali thought that it served for his paper rather than Nachman, himself.
So, they first met to go the restaurant, Ali was wearing a dinner jacket, in contrast to Nachman was wearing his old gray tweed jacket, jeans. They were too different to share their socio-economic states, experiences and interest each other. For example, with looking at Nachman’s inappropriate attire, Ali indirectly felt that he looked shameful about Nachman’s attire and thought Nachman as intelligently unlike him. Also, Nachman also got feel inconvenient to Ali’s wealthy. Although it might explicitly not come out the story, there was the big gap between the two. These differences made it difficult to share a lot interests or information.

Secondly, the reasons they don’t discuss the paper, earlier, Nachman had been eager to talk about the paper. However, Nachman was overwhelmed from Ali’s wealth such as an expense restaurant, wine and port, and a Cuban cigar. So, he first didn’t easily adapt to these atmosphere because he had never experience during his life. He just followed Ali’ action and talk about. As time goes by, Nachman felt that Ali looked splendid and triumphant as if he swaggered. Also, Ali hadn’t listened to anything about the paper. For example, Nachman is on the point of talking about the paper; Ali moved their talking toward Sweeny, who is his girlfriend. Ali was totally not interested in his paper. And Ali treated Nachman only for his paper. So they can’t discuss his paper more than that and it made Nachman disappointment. In the long run, they can’t discuss Ali’s paper because of different positions each other.

Sunday, November 20, 2005

Ali wants to take the control.

Since Ali wants Nachman’s paper and Nachman wants Ali’s smile, both of them want to please each other, but don’t know how. Ali is a prince, so he uses his own way to treat Nachman; however, to a poor student like Nachman, it’s not pleasing but show-off. Additionally, Ali is always graceful in public and everyone adores him. However, Nachman knows that he has problem in writing mysticism term paper and made an immoral deal with him. This relationship makes Ali feels uncomfortable and nervous. Moreover, comparing to scholarly Nachman, Ali knows nothing about mysticism. When Nachman talks confidently in detail how to write the paper, Ali loses the control of conversation, so he uses Sweeny to alter the topic. By talking about Sweeny, Ali thinks he can speak man to man to Nachman and becomes less dull, because Ali considers Sweeny as a barbie doll. Finally, I think maybe in Ali’s culture, women’s status is lower than men, so Ali takes Sweeny as a present to share with Nachman. He thinks money can buy everything, so he thinks that he can bribe Nachman by food, wine, cigar, and woman.

Friday, November 18, 2005

Nachman - Part II.

Nachman from Los Angeles

pp. 238-244.

Ali takes Nachman to a fancy restaurant for an extremely expensive dinner. They seem very nervous with each other. Why do you think they are so nervous? Why did they not come right out and discuss the paper Nachman was writing? Why do they keep coming back to discuss Ali’s girlfriend.

Have a great weekend! Go Bucks!!!

Cate and Ivan


Tuesday, November 15, 2005

moral issues

Above all, writing business is not good and immoral. I think that academic work is wrong to relate a money or business in return. In the article, Ali is rich man. Ali told Norbert to do his papers by getting paid. So, Norbert approves Ali’s proposal because he needs a little of money. And Ali might think that both business and money are able to do everything. But, Nachman looks like moral and honest. He would keep these minds. I think that Ali is faulty behavior, and Norbert is also mistaken. I think that people has to do their own jobs by themselves.
Compared this story with other story, even though this story and other story connect with plagiarism, this story is stronger than other story. When Ali’s case is compared with Jamal’s case, Ali is conscious, Jamal is unconscious. As a result, plagiarizing is bad.

Definitely Immoral

The rich guy, named Ali, knows that his friend, Norbert, needs money, that’s why he pays money to him in exchange to write him a paper. But Norbert is bad in writing paper, so he tries to contact his other friend, named Nachman, to help him out. This is obvious an immoral idea which you pay somebody to help you do your homework or write your paper. It is like black market where people buy and sell stuffs illegally. If you get caught, you will face a severe sanction for your action.

I think this case is different from Haley, Marita and Jamal cases. In Haley, Marita, and Jamal cases, they got accused of plagiarism because they used others’ works without permission from the writers or you can say they stole others’ works. In my opinion, this Ali case cannot be considered as plagiarism. Since Ali makes a deal that he pays money to someone to have someone write a paper for him, and this means that the writer accept the deal and gives Ali the right or permission to turn in the paper he wrote. Therefore, I think that this case can’t be considered as plagiarism but it is cheating.

However, comparing this Ali case with the worst case which is Haley case, I think that they are the same immoral. Whether someone copying and pasting or paraphrasing others’ works without acknowledgement, or someone pays others to do his/her homework or paper, those are considered academic misconduct, and punishment should be taken place.

Writing buisiness; Ethically wrong

Writing Buisness. There is a person in the school who is good in writing and who is bad. The people who is good at writing in the story's case wants to make fortune out of it. This is absolutely wrong. It's not something that student should do it. Even the student's knows it. That's why those cost are so high. Every illegal stuff is expensive. This writing business will not help the students at all. It will kill their opportunity of learning. Students need to know that the homework isn't all for the school, it's also for their goods. It even effects after the graduation of the school. In the Jewish book called "Talmud" there is the saying that if you really love your child don't just give them fish to eat but teach them how to catch it. The writing business is ethically wrong for the students who is willing to write for and it's also bad for the students who wishes to someone elese to write it for them.

Interesting case~!

First of all, what they do looks bad moral idea to me. However, I am pity about Ali. If Ali was in trouble financially, I would feel pity more. As an international student, I have been in similar trouble all that time. I know what I want to talk, but my writing on a paper does not reveal it. Being an international student is what I chose, however I desperate sometimes. So I do not want to be harsh to them. However, it is certain that they forgot what students should do. If some students like Ali graduated in unqualified state, in long perspective, value of college degree would decline. Then, all innocent students who worked hard in college have to share the loss.
In terms of pretending to own idea with others’, it is similar academic misconduct with Marita, Haley and Jamal.(even though some of them did it unconsciously) However, it is different case since Ali would not catch since his paper would correctly done and buy the permission from original author, Nachman.

No Academic Business

Of course it cannot be moral. The idea that academic works connect with business is absolutely wrong. Plagiarism cannot be worse than this case. In the article, Norbert wants to start a business which is writing papers for customers. And he suggests Nachman to write his friend Ali’s paper. I think that the idea of paper writing business is good, but it is just view of the business way, not academic and moral way. Norbert should not have related academic work with business which deals with money. Both Norbert and Nachman commit incorrect thing.
Comparing with other articles, their plagiarisms are much weaker than Ali’s case. Even though they did plagiarism, it didn’t relate to money or kind of business. But Ali is willing to buy the paper which Nachman writes. He also praise about Norbert’s idea about a paper writing business. I think that it is already out of academic thinking.

The immoral job.

Although the job Norbert proposed can earn much money, it is not moral. Many people are managing this job though on line and off line. They decide price under amount of paper. When they write paper, they consider conditions customer required. Although paper is reflected in customer’s opinion, it is plagiarized. When people write, it is reasonable that they put their opinion on paper. So, if Norbert wrote paper requested by customer, he may write his opinion in paper. The point that other people’s opinion is added paper is not different from Haley or Marita’s paper. Thus, the job Norbert proposed is naturally immoral and is recognized as plagiarizing.

Norbert is a loser!

Norbert needed money so bad; therefore he was going use his friend’s writing skills to make some cash. Nachman was very moral person, but he had to stand up and not loss his morality to temptations. Ali was rich price from Persia (same as I am!) and he would think he can buy every thing. Definitely Nachman is the hero in this story; he didn’t let Norbert and Ali’s pressure effect his decision. In the other hand Ali used every possible way to seduced Nachman, but Nachman stayed strong and did not gave up his dignity to materials and temptation.

Comparing this story to Haley’s case, we have seen some similarities and making different choices. Haley knew that she should not plagiarize but she choose to do immoral thing and she did it. In the same token, Nachman knew that was wrong and with the entire $1000 purposed and cheerleader girl, he did not lose his honesty and morality. In Marita and Jamal’s cases, they did not know and if they’ve done any thing wrong because they didn’t have the knowledge. Therefore I’m very amaze that people can be very moral or immoral.

Monday, November 14, 2005

Wrong but hard to avoid

According to the story, I think that Norbert had a great business brain but he used it in the wrong way. Business starts when people have the need, and I think written papers do smell like just-baken bread to students, which are so attractive.

However, selling term papers worsen education. Students who buy term papers to get good grades is cheating to their teacher, classmates, even themselves. By grading the commercial term paper, teachers don’t know how much the lesson or topic do the students understand. Therefore, teachers won’t know if the assignments are too difficult or not. To other students, they work hard to capture the idea of the assignments, but get bad grades, which might influence to their opportunity when they apply schools after graduated or find a job. Moreover, selling term paper can also raise another economic problems that the rich can afford a great term paper, but the poor can’t. To the cheating students themselves, they will learn nothing while they think money can buy everything.

Unfortunately, I think it’ s hard to avoid this business, although everyone knows it’s wrong. Just like stealing, it is known dirty but we can’t stop it. The need exists one day; we can never stop this business. The only solution I think is to highly value honesty in the culture. To catch a cheater, the teachers might need to well-know their students writing habits, however, it’s really hard when the class is big. Different from the other plagiarism cases, I think the student who is caught buying term papers should receive severe punishment.

I think in this story, Ali is different from Haley, Marita, and Jamal. Ali never tried to work by himself. This is the worst case in moral issue.

My reflection for Blog #8

In the story, “Nachman from Los Angels,” Nachman am going to write Ali’s paper to get money for Ali. While I read the story, a lot of thoughts occurred to me. I think that it is obviously an immoral idea. In my opinion, it is obviously not only to thwart their intelligent growth but also to do dishonest act. It is another way of the plagiarism.

When I was writing my thesis in Korea, I heard the story above the same way from my friend. That was the place acts for student’s thesis. At the time, I can’t understand them, rather I blamed for them. However, while I am studying here, I do a little understand their mind and situation. Of course, I don’t think that it is fair whatever their situations are; only I can understand their situation “one side.” I sometime feel the same way temptation, someone want to substitute my paper, when I have a difficulty writing my paper. Through the story, I become to know why we learn a plagiarism during 106G class.

Compared to the cases of Marita, Haley and Jamal, although they plagiarized a part of their assignment, they tried to write the part of assignment their own words. However, Ali used and believed only his wealthy without try to write himself. I think that it is more immoral act than them do. Also, I think that it is an abuse of capitalist and Materialism. If demand exists, the supply follows always.
We should be think and find ways how plagiarizing students can extinct.

Nachman's situation

In the story “Nachman from Los Angeles”, Nachman who was a graduate student at UCLA was quite a good student; he had a great ability in writing. At the beginning of the story showed that he was a very honest person, he wouldn’t keep the change that was just a little overpaid with him. However, twenty years before, he had done a mistake that he felt regret. Nachman had been asked from his close friend, Norbert, to help Prince Ali from Persia to write one assignment paper. Ali would pay one thousand dollars for hiring. Nachman didn’t like this idea; nevertheless, he accepted this job because he felt that Ali had something that he liked.

In my opinion, Nachman had too kindhearted; although he didn’t want to do this job, he did it. People can make a mistake; thus, I wouldn’t blame him. I understand that sometimes it is hard to deny something that we don’t like or don’t want to do. On the other hand, Norbert and Ali would be the one that should be blamed. Norbert wanted to get a lot of money from Ali, he then used the word “friend” to Nachman to be advantage for himself; moreover, he didn’t care about the assignment paper from the teacher. He just suggested Nachman to plagiarize by copying and mixing some own ideas in the paper and then gave it to Ali. All Norbert cared was money. Furthermore, Ali didn’t pay any attention on class, he just wanted to graduate. In no matter way, he was a spoiled rich man that used money to buy everything. Both Norbert and Ali had no honesty to the school, to other people and to themselves.

Like Haley’s and Jamal’s case, Nachman’s case is also immoral because they did it intentionally. Given that Nachman knew that it was wrong but he still accepted to do that; Nachman, Norbert and Ali had intention to make mistake; even though, Nachman didn’t want to do it. As Haley, she plagiarized because she just wanted her assignment to finish on time; moreover, she did it twice. She had no regret about her first mistake. Also, Jamal, although he didn’t intend to copy Forrester’s work, he just practiced his writing by using Forrester’s. He knew that he shouldn’t use this work for the writing competition but he finally used it just because he wanted to show his teacher a great job. On the other hand, Marita didn’t know that what she did was wrong; she had not enough education on how to academically write. She then made a mistake. So I don’t think that it’s the immoral situation because she had no intention on plagiarism.

Sunday, November 13, 2005

Sympatize in wrong way, Spend money for degree.

This story,"Nachman From Los Angeles", gives the other aspect of academic dishonesty or plagiarism case among student in university to my thought.In my opinion,hiring someone's else to do one's assignment is not new but it can not control because the educator or professor could not know which papers come from their students or not.Who are going to admit or tell the truth about papers if he/she hiring someone to did it ?
Compare to Haley , Jamal and Marita, Ali is the worst case,he doesn't care or respect in education process and it looks he want to pay money to buy his degree.I think because he's the prince from Persia,he should be the good example for his people and he should remind himself as a representative of his country ,he should not involves any discredit things.
In this story,Ali use his abundant money with wrong reason and wrong purpose , Nachman use his sympathy in a wrong way and Norbert use his friendship in a wrong purpose too.For everyone in this story ,it's full of immoral ideas eventhough, at least ,Nachman did it because he's sympatize and fond of with Ali morethan money.
Moreover,in this story, i found the wrong idea of doing paper from Norbert which is he thought that doing papers is just copied some sentences from books and mixed up something in the paper to finish it.So, i feel that there are still have students who thought that plagiarism or copying is not a bad idea and should be fine to did it.
And last, from reading four story, Haley,Marita,Jamal and Nachman,I found that Haley,Jamal Ali are plagiarism with intention idea but diferrent ways and purposes.
Haley did it because she' s afraid of fail her class and because of lacking of discipline in herself so,she chose to plagiarism to finished her assignment eventhough she knew it was wrong and did it as second times.Marita,this young girl student of UCLA plagiarism with innocent idea because she doesn't know exactly about plagiarism meaning.For Jamal,this boy is plagiarism because he wants to show off his writing ability to his teacher eventhough he copy someone's work but in my opinion,if Jamal has his confident in writing as much as his confident in playing basketball,maybe,he did not plagiarize.And last, for Ali,he made a wrong choice in taking class and he has no effort to finish his assignment ,fortunately, he 's wealthy student,so he spend his money to did academic dishonesty by hiring Nachman to finish his papers about Bergson.
I think Ali is the worst student if compare to Jamal,Haley and Marita because in his papers will contain only Nachman 's idea and Nachman 's words but in the others student,atl least, they write their own idea in their papers by themselve.

Three Different Person

It is interesting that anybody wants have made someone his homework. In this last story is a different case. This case is completely different from Halley, Marita and Jamal. In the story, “Nachman from Los Angels”, event of plagiarism is seen the more professional than the other cases. We can see here a new version academic forgery. This last case both is immoral and unlawful.

In this story, there are three different characters in the foreground. Why they have gathered? Of course it is forgery, that is to say a type of plagiarism. There different person who had completely different character and personality was collected to make wrong jobs. Ali is relying on his money and wants to use it for solve his problems. Nachman has a different personality from Ali and Norbert. This story shows us that friend is important. Although Nachman seem as if honest, his friend Norbert encouraged him to made wrong behavior. He shouldn’t adapt him, but he did it. In the beginning, Nachman wants to help Ali. In fact, he isn’t aware of that make badness to him.

Given homework have to finished by Ali. Nachman may be to help Ali for write his homework. But, he wants made homework oneself. In the beginning, he said that money wasn’t important, become important thing was to write well. He wondered if he wrote a better homework or didn’t. Ali has offered to give one thousand dollar or more money to Norbert and Nachman to write the homework. In addition, homework subject and Nachman’s major are very different. Given homework’s theme interested in philosophy, the metaphysics of Henry Bergson. Nachman’s major is mathematics. The homework has to approximately 20 pages and due in three weeks. Two weeks after Nachman is ready to write homework. Ali found an easy method to solve his problem. He is wealthy, and he wants to solve his problems with his money. Ali isn’t trying to solve his problem by making the homework. Nachman has borrowed some books from library about Henry Bergson to prepare for Ali’s homework. He has read it during the two week and felt ready himself end of the two weeks to write the homework. Ali should have made same things instead of Nachman, but he shouldn’t it. He has selected both easy and made wrong.

If there is thinking about any punishment for this four case, the most severe punishment should be give for the last case.

totally an immoral idea

Hi All,
I hope everybody enjoys their long weekend.
Since I have read until the page 238, it is hard to say a lot of things about the situation. I am sure that it is an immoral idea. In my opinion, it is not fair to other students to pay someone for your homework. In order to learn something, you must spend time and make some effort on it; otherwise, you just pass the class without the knowledge. However, all of them plagiarize Ali is the most guilty one between Haley, Marita, Jamal and Ali. Because he chose an illegal way to pass the class and to solve his immigration problem. I suggest that the websites like http://www.schoolsucks.com must be prohibited legally because there is no benefit for students who use these kind of sources. When I checked the website, I found out that a pre-written paper cost only $20. Since it is very cheap, most probably many students use the website. I can say that many students know that it is obviuosly wrong to use these resources. In other words, they plagiarize intentionally. I understand that they have to enter some information in order to receive their homework. Therefore, it is possible to catch students plagiarists from this information. I totally agree with Peter Pappas that internet is a very good source for students but also it can be a good solution to find the plagiarists.

Thursday, November 10, 2005

Blog #8

Hey everyone,

In the story, Norbert proposes to Nachman that they start a paper writing business. Their first customer would be Ali, who would pay them $1000 to write a paper on philosophy. What do you think about this idea? Is it a moral idea or not? How does it compare to some of the moral issues that Haley, Marita, and Jamal have faced.

If you are interested in what a paper writing business looks like, you can visit www.schoolsucks.com.

Enjoy the long weekend!

Ivan and Cate

Monday, November 07, 2005

Fair?

I think that turnitin.com is a good system to prevent student from plagiarism. If students know or hear about this prevention system used in their school, they probably will be more aware of plagiarism. However, I think turnitin.com is not a very precise system to catch plagiarists. Even though it shows that one plagiarize for a certain percentage, it doesn’t mean the student is cheating. It needs to be check and match the student paper with which the system says it’s not an original works. But like what the advertisement says that it save time for teachers to catch works or paper that is not original. In my opinion, I think that it is fair for school and teachers use it to check unoriginal paper, and it is a useful system to decrease plagiarism.

some reasons why teacher should use turninit.com

I totally agree to use turninit.com at university because it is the one of the useful program to prevent plagiarism for now. Even if there's some error on it. Things can’t be perfect because human is not perfect creature at all.
Using turninit.com is much better than using nothing. If teacher give some attention to student’s paper every time, Bad situation like student got caught would not be happened unless student plagiarized, mostly. Also there’s education about plagiarism and how turninit.com works should be needed before use turninit.com and teacher should get agreement paper from student and student’s parents that school will use turninit.com on every paper that student turn in.
Turninit.com can be very useful program when it used properly. As our English teacher said, it is exist not to catch student, it is exist to prevent student from trouble. Proper using turninin.com would make both student and teachers

Let students use it as well~!

Turnitin.com is certainly a good regulator that can bring fare play into the campus. As turnitin.com insists, it will help teacher to save their energy and time, and let them concentrate on teaching. However, from a student’s point of view, turnitin.com is closer to detection system rather than prevention system that the company claims. Since the site only allows instructor to use screening function, students feel anxious to hand their work in; not only cheating students, but also students who was not trained well on writing. But, if they can use the site as well as instructors, I am pretty sure many students can remove ‘trap’ image of turnitin.com. In fact, online screening system of turnitin.com is useful to students to learn how to write a paper without plagiarism. For example, if Marita could have used turnitin.com, she would know that she did wrong work before she went to academic misconduct council. By using turnitin.com, students also can save time and energy from being anxious or hanging around reference books or people who can explain whether the paper is correctly done or not.

Turnitin.com must use for educating

I agree with using turnitin.com, but it must be tool for educating about plagiarism not catching the plagiarist. I think the technology is developing day by day. And there will appear many other kinds of way to plagiarize. Turnitin.com is brilliant method to prevent it. But it must be used as tool of finding plagiarism by both teachers and students. If the teacher find a student used other’s word, he should call the student to show how did he plagiarize and educate him with the result of turnitin.com. For example in Haley’s case, even though she ought to be punished, I think there are some problems. One of them is that the school concluded her plagiarist with just the result of turnitin.com. The result cannot show all of things. And turnitin.com used to catch plagiarist, not for educating. As founder of turnitin.com said, it must be used to educate students. It will be more efficient than catching plagiarists to reduce plagiarism in the future. Results of Punishments are just temporary, but results of educations will last long time.

Turnitin.com or Notturnitin.com

Turnitin.com is not the accurate way to detect plagiarism and more certainly is not the best way to show students that they are cheating. In my experience, Turnitin.com can be wrong with the percentage of plagiarized paper, it not accurate tool to use for anybody. I think the foundation this service is just to make money and make huge deal out of that. As we read in the Haley’s case that 30% plagiarism could be less or could be just one sentence. Turnitin.com is not the best way to detect or even prevent plagiarism because first of all damages the trust between teacher and students, and secondly it is not always reliable. I would think most faculty members and teachers are able to tell if this paper is the original work of their students or not. It is not necessary to pay that much money to some web-site to help universities and schools to catch their students, when teachers can take care of the situation themselves. I’m not saying teachers shouldn’t be suspicious about their students’ work but at least use their own judgment before some inaccurate web-site. Anyways I know universities and schools are dispirit to prevent students from cheating and plagiarism but I don’t think paying so much money to web-sites like Turnitin.com would help them that much.

The justification of using Turnitin.com

Although Turnitin.com has actually several problems, I think that Turnitin.com needs to prevent student from plagiarizing. When student are adjudicated to plagiarism, Turnitin.com is sometimes uncertain. However, Turnitin.com is the important tool that detects plagiarism. Teachers have papers plagiarized from students about each paper. It is not easy for teachers to decide by themselves whether papers are plagiarized. They are sometimes confused at plagiarized papers because they have many papers written with the same subject but don’t have many tools to detect plagiarism. Thus, it is very useful to use Turnitin.com to catch plagiarism for them. However, as mention above, because Turnitin.com has some problems in accuracy, it needs to modify.

Teachers need to use Turnitin.com

Turnitin.com is the program in order to prevent a plagiarism. Teachers can’t remember this kind of information without Turnitin.com because students can find much information from technical books, journals, and internet. I think that teacher needs to use Turnitin.com for evaluation of student’s work. However, teachers should use cautiously and have a sense of responsibility when they use that. As student’s paper is caught by this program, teachers need to examine carefully whether it is a plagiarism or not. This program is not perfect. And they should use another tools as like as Turnitin.com because each program has a strength and weakness. If some student is a plagiarism, teachers have to teach more education or give a chance than punishment because everybody is able to make a mistake once. Moreover, the most important is trust between teachers and students. Don’t forget that.

I agree with using turnitin.com.

Avoid plagiarism is important to education, so I agree with both teachers and students using the website, turnitin.com, as a prevention tool.

Plagiarism decreases the education quality; students learn nothing when they copy and paste without understanding the assignment. In order to understand how much the students learned about the lecture and to grade fairly, I agree with teachers using a tool to prevent cheating. Additionally, regarding education is the primary goal for a school, teaching students to prevent plagiarism is also important. Therefore, I suggest that both teachers and students should use this tool together.

If teachers want to use this tool to detect plagiarists, my opinion is to be aware of that any tool has its limitation. Do not only depend on this website even though it seems powerful, but also regard to the results, seeing if it’s reliable. Sometimes, students will come out the same idea because of the lecture they take. Moreover, turnitin.com is only a tool for preventing copy and paste plagiarism, which this misconduct has more detail in definition than copy and paste. So I think teachers should pay attention on teaching students to prevent other plagiarism possibilities and how to mix their ideas in articles properly.

In Haley’s case, I think it’s ok for her teacher to use the website, as long as he/she notified students before using it. However, it seems that Haley did not know her teacher would use the website. I believe Haley would not take the risk doing her homework, if she knew she would be detected by turnitin.com.

By the way, I curious that will turnitin.com find out plagiarism in Internet? If turnitin.com reports that many websites are similar to the students article in certain part. Do these websites plagiarize each other?

Sunday, November 06, 2005

Teachers need students to educate about Turnitin.com

According to the website Turnitin.com, turnitin.com made it to prevent a plagiarism, namely, the program have a primary purpose to prevent a plagiarism more effectively.
In Haley’s case, for the purpose of detect a plagiarism her teacher submitted Haley’s paper to Turnitin.com.
In my opinion, using tools such as Turnitin.com to detect plagiarism teacher’ act is fair. Also, I think that it is teacher’s right that lead and evaluate students. However, more important teachers didn’t notice students to being able to detect their paper by Turnitin.com early. Also, as above mentioned, Turnitin.com is not tool to detect a plagiarism but to prevent a plagiarism. If Haley knows it, she may submit homework with her own words and may not be expelled from her school. Of course, I don’t support her position, Haley’s cheating is dishonest and misconduct but she is only a high school student and immature being. However, I feel that it is a cruel punishment for her to dismiss a school. So I believe that teacher give a chance to reconsider students’ misconduct regardless of their educational background. A school is not administration of justice to getting punish for misconduct. Educational institutions have the capacity for tolerance students. Moreover, we have not to forget that ultimate goal of education is to correct their misconduct prior to being accused of students’ dishonest.
In conclusion, I strongly believe that Turnitin.com needs to hinder a plagiarism and teacher and educational institutions give a chance to correct their faulted act and they also would be notice to students information about Turnitn.com.

Should the teachers use Turnitin.com?

I think it’s fair enough for the teacher to use “turnitin.com” to check the students’ work. Nowadays, it’s very easy to find information such as books, research, or someone’s opinion via the Internet; there is million of information that we want to know in the cyber world. Given that, no one can read every books and papers that have in the world and can remember them all; so it’s impossible that the teachers will know that their students’ works are original or not. So using “turnitin.com” would help the teachers could catch up the world that cheating is so easy. Moreover, this website program would not only help the teachers to catch the wrongdoer but also prevent plagiarism to occur. As the students would afraid of getting caught by this program, they would avoid cheating.

Personally, I think that the main function of this website program is good; it’s another way to help the teachers handle with plagiarism by showing the percentage of plagiarism. However, it’s the teachers’ responsibilities on how the reaction on plagiarists should be. The teachers should judge by looking at case by case; furthermore, it isn’t necessary to punish the students who cheating. I believe that there must be some other better way than punishment such as teaching, discussing, and giving chances.

If teacher use Turnitin.com

I am agree if teacher want to use turnitin.com to prove student' s works. But it must be use with cautious because students can make mistake both unintention and intentional purpose.
In some case, if student is new to do an assignment or different education system, they might be make a mistake which is involves to plagiarism.So, teacher should handle plagiarism students case by case because there are so much details and reason behind their mistakes.
In addition, before teachers start to use turnitin.com, they should announce and educated student about plagiarism and the turnitin.com. They shoudl teach student how to use turnitin.com to prove their work by themselve before send their assignment to school.
And teacher should give student a second or third chance when they plagiarizes their works with small or less severe punishment or give them a trainning course about plagiarism and turnitin.com.
Moreover,teacher and school should not only announce to student but should announce to their parents about the process of proving student's assignment by website and should allow to parents to give a feedback or vote about agreement.
At last, turnitin.com should declare their information or their resource as much as they can for students to look and learn about how assignment was prove by web , how's accuracy they were and what's resources they have for student to check if student want to check before they send their assignments. Furthermore, if something wrong happen with the false of turnitin.com such as wrong database, staffs or webeditor should have policy or plan to handle any kind of situation.They should not be the only third-party that provide a tool for investigation.

Teacher should use other references as well.

I agree on teachers using turnitin.com. But what I don't agree is that to use only one reference to detect plagiarism of a student. Teachers should use more programs to compare really if that student has actually plagiarized it or not. Turnitin.com is not the perfect program. Nothing is perfect. And afterall, if we use the program wrongly it can have badeffect on the trustbond between the teachers and the students. Teachers should first educate the student about plagiarism and then compare the student's work that they think it might been plagiarized with a lot of caution. Teachers should not just catch the students and give them F. They should tell why the student has plagiarized in what form. Turnitin.com is a just a peak of iceberg afterall. It just tells the percentage of plagiarize in terms of what they "THINK" the plagiarism is. Teachers should concern and care more to the student's work.

To use turnitin.com

Subject of Blog 7 is remembered to me teacher’s role in school. The role may be defined as expected behaviors from anyone who have a career. One of teacher’s roles in school, perhaps become the more important, helps the students to learn. A teacher’s mission not only is to teach about lesson’s subject, but also he/she must teach to students modal behaviors. Teacher has to support which become true student’s behavior, and to prevent which become wrong student’s behavior.

It is necessary that to use “turnitin.com” for teacher to catch plagiarist student. Improvements in the communication technology are made easy cheating for student from some internet sources. Some new professional internet sites arise to make student homework. These sites presented some instant homework that written by specialist persons. But, homework which given by the teacher are help the student’s own to learn through gaining some experience. Any student don’t learned a good thing by cheating, barely he-she learn wrong things. In addition, this is wrongness for the other students who never made cheat in their homework.

Is true or false use “turnitin.com” for a teacher? Of course, it is true. If student can use internet technology for make cheating, the teacher has to use similar methods to catch cheated students.

When some students cheated but don’t catch and at the end they have good points, this affect the other students. As a referee or judge, teacher hasn’t to give an opportunity to probable any unfairness. Punishment is necessary to prevent cheating and to don’t bad example for the other students. To use “turnitin.com”, it is help to teacher to catch plagiarized student. This site doesn’t give any punishment.

If Halley hadn’t catch because of cheat, she would have been a bad sample for her and other students. The web site was helped to teacher for find her. In here, web site is a tool for find cheated students.

It may be a very bad situation for a student to catch because of cheated. But, this is a very bad situation for a teacher, too. To take a punishment for all students are bad experiences. Any students didn’t want to take a punishment. Especially, if cause of the punishment is teacher’s complaint, this may be an important cause for student to hate teacher. But, this anger isn’t just.

A positive learning environment in the class is required for effective learning. In this sense, mutual relations between teacher and students must be warm, respectful, affectionate, and confidential. To take a punishment doesn’t help to develop a warm learning environment; in contrast, tightness may be increase.

turnitin from the perspective of students

When I visited the turnitin website again, I found many useful information about plagiarism. It is a website that you can not only submit your work to be checked but also get useful information about the definition of plagiarism, how to avoid it and the percentages of students cheat in colleges and the ways that the students use to plagiarize. I found all these informations very beneficial but I am wondering if there is any possibly that the students can ceheck their own work before the submission. I feel that this opportunity helps students a lot.
The website has a huge database which was good for the teachers since it can easily detect the plagiarized work. In my opinion, As a teacher it is fair to use a website such as http://www.turnitin.com. Using these kind of websites gives a chance to them to compare the assignments against all the internet resources, published papers and previous assignments. Normally, teachers do not have all that information. In addition, the teachers can prove that the assignment is not original by using the report prepared by the website. If I were a student plagiarist, I would want my teacher to show an evidence about it. Since the report includes both the original text and the plagiarized work, the teacher can be confident about the case.
As an honest student, I think that the students plagiarists must be found; otherwise, the quality of the education and the work will decrease day by day. Many students begin to duplicate the other student's assignment and as a result of this there will be no improvement and no discovery in the academic life. I can also say that, every student must make an huge and equal effort in order to deserve the degree they will get. If the students do not avoid plagiarism, we will have a plenty of unsuccessful adults all around the world in the future. In conclusion, I believe that, when the students hear about the usage of a website to detect the plagiarism, they will realize that they can most probably get caught. Therefore, they will stop stealing ideas and try to form their own ideas and learn to show respect other people's ideas.
I hope everybody enjoys their weekend.
Nimet

I like 106G.

Although I was unset when I knew that I was placed in 106G, I am glad that I am here.

Study from the very beginning really gives me an opportunity to rebuild my English writing ability, which I didn’t learn well when I was in Taiwan. Since writing is important to professional career, I am thankful for having this chance to success.

Additionally, I think the topic, plagiarism, is interesting. Besides writing skill, I also learn something toward this topic, which I never heard before. Through the discussion of plagiarism, I am aware of this misconduct and it prevents me to make the mistake unconsciously during my further graduate research. It’s really helpful.
Moreover, I like the tutorial every week. It’s great to focus on my own problem of English writing, I not only am aware of my own writing problem but also learn how to solve it.

I think the blog is also a good idea to push me writing every week. However, if I want to have a trip during the weekend, I will miss the posting time. Sorry for posting this blog so late, I was not in Columbus last weekend until Monday. Then, I had my midterm during the week. I suggest that we can have a flexible post time not only during the weekend, so I can plan a longer travel during weekend. I think traveling is also learning for a foreign student.
By the way, I love you all!

Friday, November 04, 2005

Blog #7

Dear 106 and 106G classes,

You've all used Turnitin.com to submit your assignments. But, before you respond to this blog, go to Turnitin.com again. Take a look at the site, click on the links and skim some of the sections there to get a better idea of how it works.

In Haley's case, her teacher submitted Haley's paper to Turnitin.com and later she was expelled from her school after the report from Turnitin.com showed that 30% of the content of her paper was not her own ideas.

From a student's point of view, do you think it's fair that teachers use tools such as Turnitin.com to detect plagiarism? Why or why not? What should teachers do?

Have a great weekend!

Ivan and Cate

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